Dr. Willie Soon is a astrophysics researcher at the Solar and Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. He loves what he does.  When he talks about his work his face lights up and he gets very animated.  Willie is also a brave man.  He accepted an invitation to debate UCLA Institute of the Environment Adjunct Assistant Professor Jon Christensen at the Hollywood IMPROV.


Mr. Christensen is an historian and journalist, in fact “journalist-in-residence at the Institute of the Environment and Sustainability” (aka Agenda 21).  He does not have a PhD and he is not a scientist.


Willie Soon received his Bachelor of Science degree from USC as well as his Masters followed by his PhD in Aerospace Engineering (with distinction).  As well as his research for Harvard-Smithsonian, he has also been an astronomer at the Mount Wilson Observatory.  He was chief science advisor for the Science and Public Policy Institute.  Doctors for Disaster Preparedness awarded Dr. Soon the “Petr Beckmann Award” for outstanding contributions to the defense of scientific truth.  He also received the “Courage In Defense of Science Award” by the George C. Marshall Institute.  Dr. Soon has had his character assassinated, his motives questioned, his life investigated because he questions the claims made by Climate Alarmists. Not many of us would have the courage to continue to speak after being so publically attacked for our beliefs.


We friends of Willie’s invited like-minded friends to the event to support Willie and make sure he wasn’t shouted down by Climate Change activists.  Environmental scientist Dr. Jim Enstrom brought a group of UCLA students…..who are also courageous.  They are members of the Bruin Republicans at an extremely liberal campus.  We arranged to have dinner before the event to give everyone a chance to speak to Dr. Soon.


I met Willie and Debbie Bacigalupi at Fred Segal’s for drinks first.  We were laughing and talking mostly about the fraud (GASP) of Climate Change.  As we were getting ready to leave two ladies asked Debbie if she really didn’t believe man was causing global warming. They asked her if she had seen Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth”.  Debbie said she’s met Al Gore and he isn’t a scientist.  She said we happen to have an astrophysicist, expert on the Sun and it’s effects on the earth and they weren’t the least bit interested in speaking to him.  What a remarkable example of Alarmists disinterest in the truth that disagrees with their religious belief that man is destroying the earth.


We met the others at the IMPROV for dinner.  The students were very interested in talking with Willie and he happily obliged them.


The event was in the IMPROV’s smaller venue.  Along with our group there appeared  to be a group of Libertarians as well as a group of  true Climate Change believers.  Toby Muresianu hosted the show along with Lou Perez.  Toby was clearly a Climate Change believer and his routine reflected that.  Lou Perez was sort of on the fence. His routine mostly jabbed at Skeptics but his questions later showed he has some rational questions about the claims.  Lori Weiss was next. Her introduction said she has written for Joan Rivers. Joan was a Conservative, so I’m guessing if Lori wrote for her it wasn’t about politics.  They also said she worked for the EPA. They didn’t say what she did for the EPA but I’m guessing she was clerical as she had no understanding of science. Her routine seemed personal and hostile toward Skeptics. She believes Skeptics don’t care if the world is destroyed because they’re selfish and unwilling to sacrifice for the good of the collective.


The last comedian was Bryan Dey. He was refreshing. His routine was about his upcoming wedding and not about Climate Change…..and he was funny.


Willie began by expressing his gratitude to the Improv of organizing this debate, which was his first with an advocate of man-made Climate Change since 2012.  Also, since this was a comedy club, Willie recommended that everyone watch George Carlin’s routine on Global Warming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

George Carlin on Global Warming




Willie said CO2 was the “gas of life”. He said it had many, many benefits and a few potential negatives. He said those negatives deserve discussion but it is a mistake to demonize CO2. It is greening the planet.  Willie blew on his hand and said, “This is CO2”.  He said people are being made to be afraid of the sea rising maybe 4 inches in 100 years. He said this is a discussion worth having. But he said he looks at the data and the data doesn’t support CO2 having a dangerous effect.


Jon Christensen began a long, painfully slow dissertation on every Climate Alarmist talking point we’ve heard. He is a tall, lanky, greying blond with a receding hairline. He dressed all in black.  His attempt at being funny was saying he liked to say California was “Sunny with a chance of apocalypse”.  He praised Governor Brown for forcing us to make lifestyle changes based on Climate Change Alarmism.  He said we’ve cut water usage and are making strides in making renewables (wind and solar) the only source of energy in the near future (as if that is a good thing). What the Alarmists neglect to mention is that wind and solar can’t replace fossil fuels 100% and if we eliminate the use of fossil fuels there WILL be energy rationing and energy prices will be unaffordable.


Bryan Dey reminded Mr. Christensen that cheap, abundant energy has bought wealth to this and other countries and that countries without cheap, abundant energy are poor, have lower life expectancy and more disease.  Mr. Christensen said that that may be true but renewables can be subsidized to make them affordable for the poor. (I want to ask where he thinks the money to subsidize energy comes from).


Lori Weiss chimed in and said the “consensus” is that we are causing Climate Change. This is such a good example of a lie repeated over and over being believed. The 97% consensus has been debunked by several studies, including one by Willie Soon, but Alarmists don’t care and continue to repeat it as if it’s fact. Bryan Dey countered her by saying “follow the money”.  He said many scientists are funded to support that man is influencing warming. He said if they say nothing is happening they won’t be funded to continue their studies.


Christensen made the claim that there are Alarmists at one end, Deniers (I prefer Skeptics) at the other end but about 74% in the middle think man is doing something causing change (I don’t believe that number. Most studies show the majority of us aren’t worried about Climate Change). Christensen would lean over his crossed legs as if he were having a private conversation with you and speak WAY to slowly.  I kept wanting him to move it along.


Lori Weiss made an argument I’ve heard many times from Alarmists.  That even if man isn’t causing warming shouldn’t we prepare just in case?  What?  By regressing to before the Industrial Revolution for something on as shaky ground as Anthropogenic Global Warming? No, thank you. So far, I’m not aware global warming has killed anyone, but the lack of air-conditioning certainly has.


In response to a question from the audience about why we need to lower temperature, Willie said he asked Al Gore that question, face to face. He said to Gore,  OK, say we reorder our lives and reduce temperature less than a degree, what are we going to get out of it? What is that going to do? And what is the temperature supposed to be? Gore can’t answer that. How is life going to be better without air-conditioning, cars, private property?


Someone asked about the temperature of the oceans increasing.  Willie said, they did a study of the ocean temperature. They took the temperature deep in the ocean, then in the middle and then the surface.  The middle temperature is warmer than the surface.  The middle can’t be warmed by CO2.  We don’t know why it is warmer below the surface and that is worth investigating but it isn’t being caused by CO2.  Once again, Willie said he looks at the data and the data doesn’t prove man is the cause.


Based on the questions asked and the applause for Soon versus Christensen, I believe there were more Climate Change Skeptics in the audience than there were Alarmists.  This was amazing given that Hollywood is Ground Zero for Climate Change Alarmism.


After the show we took pictures outside and talked to some of the audience members. Bryan Dey congratulated Willie for participating.  We thanked him for his rational view. The UCLA students want to do something similar with Willie at UCLA.  I hope they can pull it off.


Thank you, Willie, for being willing to jump into the fray.




About madderthanhell

Retired casting director. Mother of two daughters. Grandmother of twin boys and two step grandsons. Lived in California all my life. Co-organizer of two Tea Parties. Past member of Republican Central Committee.
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  1. Frank says:

    Sorry my dear lady but Soon is not only a “quack” he is dishonest…which is worse in my opinion:

    In 2011, it was revealed that Soon received over $1 million from petroleum and coal interests since 2001. Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics documents obtained by Greenpeace under the US Freedom of Information Act show that the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation gave Soon two grants totaling $175,000 in 2005–06 and again in 2010. Multiple grants from the American Petroleum Institute between 2001 and 2007 totalled $274,000, and grants from Exxon Mobil totalled $335,000 between 2005 and 2010. Other coal and oil industry sources which funded him include the Mobil Foundation, the Texaco Foundation and the Electric Power Research Institute.

    So in a few words, he is paid by the Oil and Gas Industry to continue to pollute our planet! (Just out of curiosity, what good is coal anymore?) What is its purpose in the 21st Century? I will await your scientific answer with quotes from renowned scientists.


    • Oh, my dear boy, he is no quack and he certainly isn’t dishonest. How typical of a Leftist to make assumptions about people they don’t know.

      Yes, I know about him getting “Oil money”. However, what is left out of the claims made about him is that the funding is given to Harvard-Smithsonian NOT directly to researchers. Harvard-Smithsonian takes a large percent and then doles out the rest to researchers. You want me to show you who funds Climate Alarmists? Have you bothered to find out that? In the documentary, “Cool It” Professor Stephen Schneider admits that he has to give “scary scenarios” to get funding. Funding was discussed at the IMPROV and Mr. Christensen admitted both sides get funding from groups that have an agenda. And as I pointed out it’s second hand through the institutions.

      However, even knowing Alarmists get funding from Environmental groups pushing AGW, even knowing he doesn’t get funding directly from “oil money”, Dr. Soon instructed Harvard-Smithsonian to not give him ANY funding from oil companies. He hasn’t received any “oil money” since Greenpeace tried to slander him…..for the very reason that it denied the Alarmists the ability to make that claim.

      You should know the Alinsky tactic to slander and demonize the opposition. The purpose of getting people to believe man is causing Climate Change is to push us into global socialism/communism. After all if it were true, that would be the only solution. Top down control of all our activities. OBVIOUSLY, we aren’t causing Climate Change or the Paris Accord wouldn’t have exempted China and India from building more coal plants.

      Willie Soon is a good friend of mine so if you are going to slander him please remove yourself from my blog.

      • Frank says:

        Hey there! I hope you are okay and are away from the fires in CA! Take care of yourself!

      • Thank you for your concern. I’m not near the fires. Fires are not new for California but what IS new is that the Obama administration wouldn’t allow the forests to be “managed”. He banned logging but also wouldn’t allow even dead wood to be cleared. Our forests have become tinderboxes. They are overgrown and filled with brush and deadwood. Also roads into the forests and wilderness areas were torn up to keep people out but doing that also keeps fire trucks from getting where they need to go.

  2. Frank says:

    Ahh! You’re kidding me right? Obama and Obama alone is the cause for all Cancers and is the sole purpose it cannot be cured. Come on Michael…quit kidding around. Man-made climate change is here to stay whether or not either of us believe it.

    You take good care of yourself young lady! Life is way too short to be denying things that are certain and things that are not. Certain=Trump is indeed a moron Uncertain=Those who are climate deniers are certified fools.

    Still love ya! And whether or not the fires are close to you…please be careful!

    (where exactly in CA do you reside?) None of my business but I promise to not bother you.


    • Climate Change has NOTHING to do with forest fires. NOTHING. And yes, Obama has made them worse and harder to fight.

      Yes, Climate Change is here to stay…..as it has been since the beginning of time. Man has little to do with it.

      I live in the San Fernando Valley.

      • Frank says:

        How exactly has Obama made fires “harder to fight”? Did he go out in the woods and plant kindling wood? Do you have factual proof for your statement? (Facts from actual PhD Scientists?) Come on Michael. I am on your side and trying to make your blog(s) somehow legitimate. So far, you are zero for zero….(except for one)

        If you want to deal with actual facts, please do so. NOT the nonsense of the TParty morons. (They will get slaughtered in the 2018 elections as we both know)

        So, I am alone in my dorm room tonight with very little to do. Lonesome! I bought some Bailey’s and a half-pint of vanilla ice cream. Ouch! The liquor taste is awful…so I guess I won’t do that again.

        So, since I do not have much else to say, from where did you get your good looks and demeanor? You look great and it is difficult to believe you are 70+ years old! (forgive me for being so forward!)

        Sleep well young woman!

      • I DO deal with facts. I don’t know where you get that I’ve been zero for zero. The fact that YOU don’t know something doesn’t mean it’s false.

        Obama was even more determined to implement Agenda 21 than Bill, the molester, Clinton. The Wildlands UN treaty required us to leave forests in their natural state. From the beginning of time nature controlled forests with fire. But few people lived in forest areas at the beginning of time. In order to keep forest fires from destroying more property than necessary we “managed” them. Thinned them with logging and removed dead trees and brush. Though the Forest Service (a government agency) Obama enforced the UN treaty (once again, not ratified but followed). Roads were torn up, logging banned as well as clearing out dead wood. I learned this from people living there. I don’t have a link to send you. A lawyer, who also spoke at our conference, from Santa Cruz represented the city in a complaint about the overgrown, dangerous forests surrounding the city. There were two documentaries on these practices. “Crying Wolf” about how grey Wolves (not indigenous to the areas) are being introduced to wilderness areas basically to keep people out. And “Blue” about logging. Both were made by a young filmmaker, Jeffrey D. King. He has also spoken at our events.

        I have a friend who is a rancher in Northern California. They have to build cages for school children to wait for the school bus to protect them from the wolves. Not to mention the wolf packs killing their cattle. And they aren’t allowed to shoot them.

        Obama banned logging and completely devastated many towns that depended on logging for generations. And BTW, because they were dependent on logging they were responsible loggers. My non-profit had Sheriffs from Northern California forest and wilderness areas speak at a conference. There were 16 Sheriffs that formed an association to stop the Forest Service from tearing up roads into the forests. They are also trying to stop the tearing down of 14 dams in Northern California.

        Here’s a couple of links to how our forests are tinder boxes.

        LMAO! You actually think we’ll lose the 2018 election?? ROTFLMAO!! Dream on.

        What is the most deeply troubling to me (and SHOULD be to you too) is that everything that differs from the Liberal agenda is being censored. We know from Climategate that Skeptics research is not being published. The LA Times and NY Times said they wouldn’t publish anything skeptical of Climate Change. I know several Conservative organizations whose Facebook pages went from 20,000 hits a day to 2000 overnight. That isn’t statistically possible. Dennis Prager’s Prager University makes short videos on various subjects and YouTube has removed many of them (mostly if they defended religion). The Left wants to criminalize “hate speech” (who is going to decide what is “hate” and is it “hate” if it’s FACT?). In California Gov. Brown just signed a bill criminalizing using the wrong gender. You don’t know the truth because you aren’t being given access to information you could examine.

        I’m doing a reality show. We discuss politics and see if we can find common ground. The show has said I was wrong about things I KNOW I’m right because the sources they use to “fact check” are all Liberal. They never proved what I said was wrong, just that the Liberal sites disagreed. Kermit Gossnell is a perfect example. The Liberal media refused to cover the trial. This man had the filthiest medical facility I’ve ever heard of. The Health Department knew, OCHA knew, LOTS of people knew but they ignored it because it reflected badly on abortion. We EXPECTED these agencies to prevent this sort of thing. And Harvey Weinstein is another example. NBC and other agencies KNEW but refused to report it because Harvey was a good Liberal soldier. Is this the way you want this country to work? I’m heartbroken you’ve bought the propaganda. Are you not concerned that there are few, if any, Conservative Professors? That Conservatives are not allowed to speak on College campuses? That wasn’t the case when I went to college. Doesn’t it concern you that 90% of “journalists” are Liberals? A NY Times writer was on a radio show last week. He said the NY Times has told their writers they don’t have to be impartial because they just have to get Trump out of office. Why would anyone believe anything they report?

        I thank you for your compliment. My daughters look considerably younger than their age as well.

  3. Frank says:

    Maybe there is a reason we have something called “the main-stream media”. What that means to me is most people read or watch that media. Think about Cable News. Who has time during a busy work day to sit around and watch a bunch of opinions from those at the Cable Networks? Mostly old people who are retired…right?

    The Alt-Right has had it’s chance and severely blew it with Steve Bannon/Trump and the White Supremacy thing. No way people who support them will get re-elected.

    I strongly recommend you read the book by Thomas L. Friedman. He is one of the world’s leading economists. The name of the book is: Thank you for Being Late. It is fascinating to see how far we have come in the past 10 years….Again! JUST IN THE PAST 10 YEARS! And it’s only going to get faster, smarter and more complicated.

    Did you even imagine Facebook, Twitter, and other social media 10 years ago? Did you even imagine your Iphone (or whatever cell phone you use) today is bigger and faster than the main-frame computers we had in 2000? So what do you think the “new” NEW thing will be Michael? How about Amazon? Did anyone imagine we could order most anything online and have it delivered to our home in less than 2 days for free–and in some cases, delivery can be done in less than two hours! And it’s only going to get faster. We use Whole Foods and the quality and delivery are at our dorms or homes in less than 2 hours. (Amazon delivers for them now)

    Tell me more about the panel you are serving on. Can it be seen live? If so, please send me the link and I’d be happy to watch it.

    Stay safe my friend…


    • Yes, and the “mainstream media” is ALL “alt-Left”. Why do you think that’s good. That is why people are so uninformed. They aren’t getting the truth by any stretch of the imagination. You think the Right is in trouble because you only listen to the Leftist “mainstream media”. General Kelly went to the press briefing yesterday to tell them he wasn’t considering resigning nor was he being fired. Yet, that’s what the media was telling you Lefties…..and you believe them. I have friends working in this administration. They keep me informed about what is actually going on.

      “Alt-Right” is a MSM made up term. I don’t know anyone who is alt-right. Bannon and Trump are left of Conservative, certainly not farther Right than Conservative, so they can’t be “alt-right”. They are more “middle of the road”.

      There is no “white Supremacist” thing. Neither is a white supremacist and, sorry, white supremacy was a Democrat thing. The KKK was the military arm of the Democrat party. BOY, for a college boy you are painfully misinformed. As I said your Professors are Liberals. So, is MSM. See, that’s why you actually think we’ll do badly in the 2018 election. When people see free market solutions to healthcare ACTUALLY work, even Democrat voters will be happy.

      The Obama administration didn’t reach a 3% increase in the economy in his entire term. Trump has had more than a 3% increase in just the first 6 months. And what, exactly, did Obama do for Blacks? They suffered the MOST under Obama. Their income went down, unemployment went up. More on welfare and food stamps.

      You didn’t address ANYTHING I said. I suggest YOU read anything by MILTON Friedman. I know about economics and socialism doesn’t work. Never has, never will. Yes, I know “the wrong people were in charge, we’ll do it right”. If socialism worked, it would work no matter who was in charge, but where exactly are you going to find these angels who will do it “right”? I’ve heard that argument my entire life and socialism still doesn’t work.



      Yes, indeed, many wonderful inventions have changed our lives in the last 10 years. And, how do you think that happened. CAPITALISM. Those wonderful inventions didn’t come from socialist countries. Why would Steve Jobs work late into the night in his garage if he didn’t think HE’D benefit from his creations? It’s INDIVIDUAL liberty and Capitalism that is responsible for America being the leader in so MANY areas.

      In the last century we went from candle light and horse and buggy to carrying a computer in our pockets. Why do you want to prevent any progress in the next century, because “Climate Change” is reversing the industrial revolution, not encouraging it. Do you not believe in the next few decades we’ll find more efficient ways to use fossil fuels?

      Of course, being a Christian, I know God created earth FOR man and gave him dominion over it. He gave us everything we needed, INCLUDING fossil fuels. Do you have any idea how many products are made out of oil? Practically everything…..including plastic. Obama stopped oil drilling on all federal land and off shore. He couldn’t stop it on private property, but he wanted to. Our country would come to a screaming halt without oil.

      California wants to ban all combustion engines. Wind and solar can’t possibly provide enough electricity to power electric cars if all combustion cars were replaced. But the Left doesn’t care. It would mean not many people could have a car because there wouldn’t be enough energy to power them. That’s OK with the Left. It’s NOT OK with me.

      We are shooting a pilot for a reality show. I don’t know when it will air. They aren’t finished shooting it. This week they shoot each of us talking about what we believe and why.

      • Frank says:

        I still luv ya Michael…but you are a little mixed up. I’ll get back to you sometime next week. I would like to see if the two of us can find “common ground” on the issues of today and then perhaps meet for tea someday? There are no reasons a young guy like me can’t have tea with a more mature woman. (I am certain we can agree on that!)

        Have a wonderful weekend and please be safe! Fires are not good!

  4. Frank says:

    We can agree on the following: (because we did!)

    1. We could rebuild Europe after WW2
    2, We could rebuild after 9/11
    3. We could rebuild after the Stock Market Crashes in 1929 and 2008. (both caused by Republican presidents: Hoover and Bush 2)
    3. We could rebuild after Katrina and other hurricanes.

    We cannot rebuild the Greenland Ice Cap.


    1. If the Great Barrier Reef becomes extinct
    2. If the Amazon Rain Forest goes away
    3. If women cannot make their own birth decisions. (population deniers)
    4. We cannot change planetary acceleration.. (It is getting exponentially faster as the global population grows)
    5. The “Cloud” or Super Nova can either kill us or save us. We cannot rebuild the Universe Michael!

    This is the first time in history where our generations/kids generations/and grandchildren generations can actually do something about saving Planet Earth.

    There is a start for us lovely lady…Maybe we can agree on these for a start and then have tea in CA to discuss it further?

    PS…I still hope you are safe from the fires!

    • 1. Yes, 2. Yes, 3. Yes, we survived the two crashes but no, Hoover and Bush didn’t cause them. It really troubles me how the Leftist Colleges and Professors have brainwashed you students. Hoover didn’t cause the depression. The crash happened 8 months into his Presidency. No policy effects the economy that fast. But it was FDR whose policies delayed recovery for years. Same with Bush (and believe I’m NO fan of any Bush). The financial meltdown was caused by the “Neighborhood Reinvestment Act” which was a Carter bill that Clinton doubled down on. It forced banks to give sub-prime loans to people who couldn’t afford them. If the banks wanted Fanny and Freddie to insure their mortgages they had to make a certain percentage of their loans sub-prime. Read “Reckless Endangerment” written by a WSJ, NY Times, Pulitzer Prize winning author Gretchen Morgenson. She explains it in detail. It took years for there to be enough sub-prime loans to crash the housing market which then crashed the stock market because the bad loans were bundled with good loans and sold to the markets as triple A (which they weren’t). And in fact, Republicans held hearings to look into the loans because they were concerned this could happen but Bernie Frank said there was nothing to worry about. (Look up Bernie Frank on O’Reilly’s show on YouTube. O’Reilly yelled at him for saying that). Also, adding “low income families” to the housing market caused the prices for homes to rise (more buyers with same amount of houses).

      We don’t need to rebuild the Greenland Ice cap. It’ll do it. http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/ And even this one (that thinks we’re warming) there was less ice in the past than now. https://phys.org/news/2013-11-greenland-shrunken-ice-sheet-weve.html

      There has been no significant warming in more than 20 years. A fraction of a degree can’t melt the polar caps……and isn’t. And what is the temperature supposed to be? You can’t say warming or cooling is bad unless you can say what the temperature is supposed to be.

      1. “WE” can’t rebuild the great barrier reef, no, but AGAIN scare tactics are used and exaggerations are made for a political agenda. http://joannenova.com.au/2016/08/great-barrier-reef-bleaching-5-bleached-not-93-says-new-report-discrepancy-phenomenal/

      2. The Amazon Rain Forest isn’t going away. Even though some countries have cut down areas for farming, they aren’t going to cut down ALL of the Rain Forest. Those countries know it’s importance as well as we do. Do you think we should be able to interfere in another country’s affairs? Unless, of course, you believe in global government and they’ll tell countries what they can and can’t do. NO, THANK YOU!

      Are you for global governance? You do know, don’t you, that the farther from government you are the less you have to say and the less control you have over your life. It would do you no good to call your “representative”. What if you found it wasn’t the utopia you believed it would be?

      3. Whose preventing women from making their birth decisions? Women HAVE the ability to make those decisions. They can CHOSE not to have unprotected sex. They can CHOSE to use birth control (Pills, IUD’s, implants, sterilization). They can CHOSE abstinence. They can CHOSE to have an abortion in the first three months. They have PLENTY of CHOICES to make before killing a viable baby. Once a baby is viable there are TWO people, not one. If we no longer value life, we are done as a civilized society.

      We are in no danger of over population. We’ve had that scare tactic before and the results were educated people limited their families to an average of two children…..but poor, uneducated people didn’t limit their families and poor, uneducated people are becoming the majority. Educated people should be the ones reproducing. However, having said that, you can give everyone a 1/4th an acre and fit the entire population of the world into Texas. Only 9% of America’s land mass is developed. I’m not the least bit worried. Nature has taken care of populations through natural disasters, disease, famine and wars. I suspect that will continue until the end of time.

      4. I doubt the population has anything to do with that. I’m not familiar enough with “planetary acceleration” but I’m sure dinosaurs weighed more than we do.

      5. If the Super Nova kills us, it would be God’s will…..and you are correct, we’d have no influence on that. C’est la vie.

      No, Frank, we have no significant influence on climate or the universe. “We” can adapt but we can’t and shouldn’t end progress. But what the Left believes “for the first time in history” we have a chance of doing is this: Destroying Capitalism.

      Christina Figueres, who is the organizer of the Paris Accord said that was the goal…..NOT climate. http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/02/un-climate-chief-remaking-world-economy/
      And if you don’t believe that, here is a video of her saying it.

      At a UCSB Climate Conference, all the Professors and students wore T-shirts that said, “Not Climate Change, System Change”. I thanked them for being honest.

      I’d be happy to have tea with you, Frank (although I’d prefer coffee).

      What University are you attending?

      • ClimateOtter says:

        frankie never responds when you lay out the FACTS that destroy his every argument. I (do not) wonder why.

  5. Frank says:

    Coffee it is! (I use milk or cream though) SO glad you are okay! Since I had not heard from you, I assumed you might be in jeopardy with the CA fires.

    I have no clue why people want to deny climate change caused by mankind. It’s like denying starvation does not cause dying or lack of water causes dying and last, but not least…bullets do not cause dying. Climate Change caused by man is real Michael. Please listen to me on this.

    I attend Oxford University in Cambridge UK right now after graduating from Stanford in CA last year. Believe me…I am not at the top of the class (but close) and have traveled all of the world thanks to my grandparents (who may be about your age). It is so obvious our planet is experiencing the effects of man-made global warming. CA and south Florida will be under water by 2030 if we do not lower carbon emissions and get rid of coal (it has no purpose anymore!)

    How is your family doing? I can only imagine how lovely your daughter(s) must be compared to your Avatar photo. You mentioned you are a grandmother. How many grandchildren do you have? They are lucky to have you…I admire your passion for things that are not true…but you believe them anyway. Stay safe!


    • The idea that man has more effect on temperature than the sun is laughable. Sorry, Frank, I can’t believe you because you are wrong. I appreciate your education and travel (I’ve done some traveling myself) but I respect the scientists I know who are actually researching these things as we speak. I’m pretty sure oceans don’t rise in one place and not another. Florida has been flooding as far back as I can remember (and farther) but not because of melting poles. The ocean is no closer to the several beach houses I’ve lived in.

      I also would say, I don’t want to live in a world you Alarmists want for us. Global Warming is the Fabian Socialists wet dream. It’s the perfect device to control everything man does and justifies their desire to reduce the population to under a billion. By what means, Frank?

      You let me know when you’ll be in LA and we’ll have coffee. I take mine with cream as well.

      Both of my daughters are beautiful. My oldest is blond and blue eyed like me but her features are more like her father. My youngest daughter has dark hair and eyes like her father but her features are more like mine. My oldest is in North Carolina this week wrapping her first movie she Executive Produced starring and directed by her client Joel Edgerton. My youngest, with an environmental science degree, was just promoted in the Health Department. She inspects toxic chemical storage facilities. And, she also doesn’t believe man is causing global warming. She also has 15 year old twin boys that I love more than life.

      What should be a red flag to you is the push from the Left to criminalize climate skepticism. When has anyone suggested criminalizing skepticism or descent in the past. They did it in communist or socialist countries. When has a free country ever censored speech? The LA Times and NY Times won’t print anything skeptical of AGW.

      Our non-profit just had a conference on the silencing of Free Speech yesterday. Those of us on the right are being censored, silenced and punished for speaking the truth. If we can be proven wrong, fine, prove us wrong, but that’s not what is happening. We’re not being proven wrong we’re being forcefully silenced. We had Joey Gibson, a young man who organized a nationwide prayer rally to pray for our divided country. When Antifa arrived he tried to reason with them. He faced them with his hands held up to show he was peaceful. They shouted him down, hit him, spit on him, threw bottles and bags of urine at him. They violently and destructively shut down his event. Prager University videos are being censored by YouTube. YouTube and Facebook are not allowing Conservatives to monitize their pages or videos. They are changing the algorithms to make it hard to fine Conservative pages & videos. Several sites I know went from 20k hits a day to 200 overnight. If we skeptics are such dunces, what are they so worried about?

  6. Frank says:

    Ahhh Michael…”there are none so blind as those who choose not to see.” I still admire your passion for ignorance (no offense)…You have become my friend because I seriously want to know how you people think and come to the conclusions you do. I admire those who believe in nonsense and really would like to know how they have become so indoctrinated with such foolishness. Please help me understand how you can deny the irrefutable truth that man is causing Global Warming. Please cite professors and scholars who have scientific evidence that man is NOT causing global warming. (only if you feel like it).

    I would rather just have coffee (with cream/milk) with you and explore each other’s minds someday. No need to debate proven facts. When would be a good time for you? It’s 1:30 AM and I need to study and get some sleep!

    I am so grateful you are safe from the fires!

    Your pal,


  7. You mean like Dr. Willie Soon? Sure. How about Dr. William Happer of Princeton who invented the Sodium Guide Star? Or Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize Winner for Physics? Or Dr. Joanne Simpson, first woman in the WORLD to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA, or Dr. Kiminori Itoh, PhD environmental physical chemist, or Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia from Punjab University, or Stanley B. Goldberg of NOAA, or Geoffrey G. Duffy from University of Auckland, NZ, or Dr. David Gee, or Hajo Smit of Holland, or James A. Peden formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center, or Delgado Domingos of Portugal, or Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, former vice-chancellor of the Institute if Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan, or Dr, Eduardo Tonni of Buenos Aires, or the more than 700 scientists who dissented over AGW to the UN and Congress in 2008.

    Or the following scientists who questioned the accuracy of the IPCC reports:
    David Bellamy, botanist.[19][20][21][22]
    Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[23][24]
    Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[25][26][27][28]
    Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society.[29][30]
    Ivar Giaever, Norwegian–American physicist and Nobel laureate in physics (1973).[31]
    Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University.[32][33]
    Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences.[34][35][36][37]
    Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[38][39][40][41][42][43][44]
    Ross McKitrick, Professor of Economics and CBE Chair in Sustainable Commerce, University of Guelph.[45][46]
    Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada.[47][48][49]
    Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003).[50][51]
    Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University.[52][53]
    Roger A. Pielke, Jr., professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder.[54][55]
    Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science.[56][57][58][59]
    Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[60][61]
    Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm.[62][63]
    Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.[64][65]
    Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.[66][67]
    Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.[68][69]
    Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry.[70][71]

    Or the scientists who believe temperature and climate are caused by natural processes:
    Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.[73][74]
    Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[75][76][77]
    Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg.[78][79][80]
    Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[81][82]
    Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist, member of the French Academy of Sciences.[83]
    Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland.[84][85]
    David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester.[86][87]
    Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University.[88][89]
    William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University.[90][91]
    Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo.[92][93]
    Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[94][95]
    William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.[96][97]
    David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.[98][99]
    Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri.[100][101]
    Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[102][103]
    Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[104][105]
    Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[106][107]
    Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego.[108][109]
    Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado.[110][111]
    Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University.[112][113][114]
    Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo.[115][116]
    Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[117][118]
    Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.[119][120][121][122]
    Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[123][124]
    Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville.[125][126]
    Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center.[127][128]
    George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University.[129][130]
    Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa.[131][132]Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[133][134]
    Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[135][136]
    Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[137][138]
    Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[139][140]
    John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[141][142][143]
    Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[144][145]
    David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[146][147]
    Stanley B. Goldenberg a meteorologist with NOAA/AOML’s Hurricane Research Division.[148][149]
    Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes.[150][151]
    Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change.[152][153]
    Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, inventor of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) method.[154][155][156]
    Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[157][158]

    Or the scientists who believe increased temperature would have little or no negative effect:
    Indur M. Goklany, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior.[159][160][161]
    Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change.[162][163]
    Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University.[164][165]
    Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia.[166][167]August H. “Augie” Auer Jr. (1940–2007), retired New Zealand MetService meteorologist and past professor of atmospheric science at the University of Wyoming.[168][169]
    Reid Bryson (1920–2008), emeritus professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison.[170][171]
    Robert M. Carter (1942–2016), former head of the School of Earth Sciences at James Cook University.[172][173]
    William M. Gray (1929–2016), professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University.[174][175]
    Yuri Izrael (1930-2014), former Chairman, Committee for Hydrometeorology (USSR); former Director, Institute of Global Climate and Ecology (Russian Academy of Science); Vice-Chairman of IPCC, 2001-2007.[176][177][178]
    Robert Jastrow (1925–2008), American astronomer, physicist, cosmologist and leading NASA scientist who, together with Fred Seitz and William Nierenberg, established the George C. Marshall Institute.[179][180][181]
    Harold (“Hal”) Warren Lewis (1923–2011), emeritus professor of physics and former department chairman at the University of California, Santa Barbara.[182][183]
    Frederick Seitz (1911–2008), solid-state physicist, former president of the National Academy of Sciences and co-founder of the George C. Marshall Institute in 1984.[184][185][186]

    Or the 50 astronauts, scientists and engineers from NASA who wrote a letter condemning NASA for the “junk-science” of Climate Change:
    1. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
    2. /s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
    3. /s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
    4. /s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years
    5. /s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years
    6. /s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years
    7. /s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years
    8. /s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years
    9. /s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years
    10. /s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years
    11. /s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years
    12. /s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years
    13. /s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years
    14. /s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years
    15. /s/ Anita Gale
    16. /s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years
    17. /s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years
    18. /s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years
    19. /s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years
    20. /s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years
    21. /s/ Thomas J. Harmon
    22. /s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years
    23. /s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years
    24. /s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years
    25. /s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years
    26. /s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years
    27. /s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years
    28. /s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years
    29. /s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years
    30. /s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen
    31. /s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years
    32. /s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years
    33. /s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years
    34. /s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years
    35. /s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
    36. /s/ Tom Ohesorge
    37. /s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
    38. /s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
    39. /s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate, 40 years
    40. /s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years
    41. /s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years
    42. /s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years
    43. /s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years
    44. /s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years
    45. /s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years
    46. /s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years
    47. /s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years
    48. /s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years
    49. /s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years
    50. /s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years

    I could go ON AND ON but you believe all these scientists are wrong. There is NO “proven science” that says man is having any disastrous effect on the temperature (since there has been virtually NO increase in temperature in the last 20 years) or climate.

    I take issue with you saying I’m ignorant. I have a 158 IQ and I probably know more about this subject than most people. I went to see Dr. Happer speak at UCLA last week (blog about it will follow in a few days). He showed data from NASA and the IPCC that show no warming, no ocean rising. So what is the PROVEN science??? And since it’s been MUCH warmer and MUCH cooler thousands of years ago when man either didn’t exist or there were no cars or industry, what is the temperature supposed to be? And how many skeptical scientists or Professors have you heard speak?

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  9. jorgekafkazar says:

    Congratulations, madderthanhell, on having your own resident troll. Trolls are a sure sign that a thread is dangerous to The Warmist Cause. It’s true: you get the most flak when you’re over the target. Keep it up!

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